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Re: The Glorious Kobold Empire rises again!

Postby aethelred on Wed 21 Aug 2013 09:52

And now for something completely different!

Serious question now. Still trying to work out how different carrier types work. Here is a proposed design for a planetary assault ship:
DD-SSAAQJJJ(Bl)(Bse)(3xHb)(3xQv)JJQJ HS30, 6/4, COST 335/50
with two squadrons of AST add 50/2.
Now, since Bse has a capacity of 6 bbp and AST take up 3, this ship should be able to handle two squadrons. However only one squadron can land or take off in a single turn.
Do I have this right?
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Re: The Glorious Kobold Empire rises again!

Postby Vandervecken on Wed 21 Aug 2013 10:38

One of your minor Ministers, so minor that his seat at the table of ministers isn't even at the kiddie table, it's in the broom closet next to Ministers conference room. The same tiny room that is rumored to be a Bfa(t) for a certain female minister. Well, this minor minister from the always under-funded 'Ministry of Silly Walks', has confided to the Defense and Homeland Security Ministers that Sternn's presence on one of your Bases should not be a threat, His exact works were "Don't Worry, I've got an Angle!" After adding 2 lumps of sugar to the mud (actual mud, not coffee) the minister of Transportation was drinking, he was sent back to his broom closet. How he got there 'WAS' quite silly though. And there was much rejoicing! yaaaaayyy.
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Re: The Glorious Kobold Empire rises again!

Postby aethelred on Wed 21 Aug 2013 11:40

Vandervecken wrote: "Don't Worry, I've got an Angle!"
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(Que that old Cheap Trick tune)

The glorious prime minister of the glorious Second Kobold Empire slowly but firmly begins to bang his forehead into his desk repeatedly.
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Re: The Glorious Kobold Empire rises again!

Postby Elminster on Wed 21 Aug 2013 12:16

aethelred wrote:Serious question now. Still trying to work out how different carrier types work. Here is a proposed design for a planetary assault ship:
DD-SSAAQJJJ(Bl)(Bse)(3xHb)(3xQv)JJQJ HS30, 6/4, COST 335/50
with two squadrons of AST add 50/2.
Now, since Bse has a capacity of 6 bbp and AST take up 3, this ship should be able to handle two squadrons. However only one squadron can land or take off in a single turn.
Do I have this right?

Sorry, no. :)

First, Hb is restricted the same way as bays, so this has to be a fast hull.
Second, ast (lower case, AST are asteroid belts) are Small Craft, not Squadrons. So the Bse holds exactly two ast.
Third, BL is the starting and landing bay for Squadrons (fighter or gunboat), not Small Craft.
Fourth, to mount both a BL and Bse the ship must be a fast hull or 60+ HS.
Fifth, Small Craft do not add to the maintenance of a unit (so far as I know).

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Re: The Glorious Kobold Empire rises again!

Postby AlexeiTimoshenko on Wed 21 Aug 2013 15:55

Please see the smiling bald man down the corridor to the left room 302 for a detailed description of Cleaning Supplies. In short, with the supplies, the Squidwards Sponge of a foreign minister can help to put a nice shine on your ships and weaponry.
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Re: The Glorious Kobold Empire rises again!

Postby aethelred on Wed 21 Aug 2013 17:06

Elminster wrote:Sorry, no. :)

First, Hb is restricted the same way as bays, so this has to be a fast hull.
Second, ast (lower case, AST are asteroid belts) are Small Craft, not Squadrons. So the Bse holds exactly two ast.
Third, BL is the starting and landing bay for Squadrons (fighter or gunboat), not Small Craft.
Fourth, to mount both a BL and Bse the ship must be a fast hull or 60+ HS.
Fifth, Small Craft do not add to the maintenance of a unit (so far as I know).

;)

Thanks Elm! So in order to make the DD assault ship work it would have to look like:
DD-SSAAQJJJ(2xBse)(3xH)(3xQv)JJQJ ?
However, the DD hull is starting to look a little small for this job, I am starting to think a CL would be better.

Now, on the gun boat carrier I am guessing that it could not be done on anything smaller than a 60spc CA?
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Re: The Glorious Kobold Empire rises again!

Postby procyon on Wed 21 Aug 2013 17:19

Ok, not being mean. Just offering advice.

First, I only count 27 HS of systems so you can add a bit.
Second it needs to be fast hulled if you want a bunch of Bse and/or Hb.
You don't need BLa for ast. Lose it.
Use those HS plus the 3 extra to add in another Bse (and 2 ast), 3 more Qv and 3 H. You need 1/2 an H in supplies for each Qt for the first month of an assault so don't forget to include H.
If ast are used as 'sqns' for anti smcft or ground attack - ast are grouped in 'sqns' of 4. Less ast hurts your damage.

Look hard at the combo of Bse and Hb. You need one to land troops by smcft, but that makes the Hb redundant. But ast are far more vulnerable than a fast hulled warship (which is immune to ground fire) so if you land and use the Hb to unload the Qt and H you won't really need the ast unless you use them for anti-smcft or CAS.
And dropping the S and A will let you add weapon to target enemy Qt(r) and the ship will count for 'controlling space' when you go to resolve ground combat without tying down a warship.
And ast do have 5% maint so 2 cost 2.5 Mc (4 wii cost 5 Mc).

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Re: The Glorious Kobold Empire rises again!

Postby procyon on Wed 21 Aug 2013 17:26

My post is based off the first design.
I only count 24 HS on the second design.
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Re: The Glorious Kobold Empire rises again!

Postby Vandervecken on Wed 21 Aug 2013 17:34

Note: ast have maint. (5% of 25 MCr or 1.25 MCr), st and gigs do not.

Edit: Frack, I didn't finish reading procyon's post, I was too busy looking up the Small Craft/Squadron rules. Nothing new to see here. :oops:
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Re: The Glorious Kobold Empire rises again!

Postby procyon on Wed 21 Aug 2013 18:20

How about
DDf/30HS
[4] S S A A Qa (Ja) (Ja) (Ja) (Bse) (Bse) Qv Qv Qv Hb Hb Hb H H H Qv Qv Qv Qa (Ja) (Ja) (Ja) [6] / gig x 1, ast x 4

Although you could also call it a dedicated lander as it is immune to ground fire and swap out the 2 Bse for an Ra (or some other weapon to deal with ground targets).

Just a suggestion.
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