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Question on Y18.02.1 Hull Build Strategy

Postby Thradin on Thu 12 Sep 2019 16:18

Hello Everyone,

I have finally managed to talk someone into trying Solar Starfire and for the most part, we are getting through the rules. We finally ran into an HEL race and during the generation of the race, we ran into the Y18.02.1 table.

On the Hull Build Strategy Table Y18.02.1. On the bottom of the table, there are the following statements: "Races which like big ships get -20 and will use the largest generation hull. Races which like small ships get +20."

Where / how do you determine what size ship a race prefers?

Thank you for your help,
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Re: Question on Y18.02.1 Hull Build Strategy

Postby Cralis on Thu 12 Sep 2019 22:28

Thradin wrote:Hello Everyone,

I have finally managed to talk someone into trying Solar Starfire and for the most part, we are getting through the rules. We finally ran into an HEL race and during the generation of the race, we ran into the Y18.02.1 table.

On the Hull Build Strategy Table Y18.02.1. On the bottom of the table, there are the following statements: "Races which like big ships get -20 and will use the largest generation hull. Races which like small ships get +20."

Where / how do you determine what size ship a race prefers?


Table Y18.02.1 is the table that determines the hull sizes. The modifiers apply to the 1d100 roll that you make.

For example, a roll of 40 would be on the "31-45" row where it says "50% largest, 50% medium size in HS". So if the NPR can build Battleships (100 HS), it will build 50% of its hulls as Battleships at 100 HS and 50% of its hulls as Cruisers (you don't have to build them at 50 HS, but since cruisers are 46-60 HS and the median is 50 HS then it will build cruisers).

Now with the modifier, the Y18.02.1 result changes. So if the NPR likes big ships, it modifies the roll by -20. So instead of "40", the roll would be -20 to become "20" and that puts it into the "equal quantities of largest 3 hull sizes" so the race will build BB, BC, and CA hulls in equal quantities.

If the NPR likes small ships, it will have +20 to the roll. Instead of "40", it would have "60" and that means it has the "46-65" row where it builds equal HS of the largest size and next two largest size with a speed increase. In this case the NPR will build BB hulls, BC hulls because they are faster than BB, and then CA because they are also faster than BB.

(BTW, to give you a better example of the last result, if the NPR could only build BC as the largest hull then it would build BC at speed 4, DD because they are speed 5, and FG because they are also speed 5, both faster than the BC hull)
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Re: Question on Y18.02.1 Hull Build Strategy

Postby Thradin on Fri 13 Sep 2019 14:53

Thank you for the response, Cralis.

My confusion is how to determine if the NPR likes big or small ships (when to apply the modifier).

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Re: Question on Y18.02.1 Hull Build Strategy

Postby Cralis on Fri 13 Sep 2019 15:30

Thradin wrote:Thank you for the response, Cralis.


Tis’ no problem!

My confusion is how to determine if the NPR likes big or small ships (when to apply the modifier).


Special rules and behaviors are found in the government descriptions. For example, most monarchies prefer big ships.
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Re: Question on Y18.02.1 Hull Build Strategy

Postby Thradin on Fri 13 Sep 2019 18:55

Thanks again for answering, Cralis.

You are talking about the Y19/Y20 descriptions?

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Re: Question on Y18.02.1 Hull Build Strategy

Postby Cralis on Fri 13 Sep 2019 22:31

Thradin wrote:Thanks again for answering, Cralis.


That's what I'm here for. Well, yeah and writing the game. But you know, priorities right? :lol:

You are talking about the Y19/Y20 descriptions?


Yes sir. When you create the NPR and give it a government type, always read through it. They have different values for starting incomes, sometimes special instructions like extra income, negotiation behaviors like requiring bribes, and even preferences. Most of the NPR governments have very specific behaviors that make them act differently, and that's part of what makes each game different. You'll meet different NPRs and they can act quite a bit different!
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Re: Question on Y18.02.1 Hull Build Strategy

Postby Graystonw on Sun 23 Feb 2020 12:19

Bringing up an old post because I had the same question and am confused by the answers here.

I understand the concept of looking in the descriptions for special things, but I'm not seeing any mentions at all about hull sizes. The example given says that most monarchies prefer big ships. Where does it say that? I don't see that noted in Y20.02.2.1 Absolute Monarchy, Y20.03.3.1 Feudal Monarchy, Y20.03.4.2 Theocratic Monarchy, Y20.03.6.2 Constitution Monarchy, or Y20.04.03.1 Imperial Monarchy.

None of the symbolic notes on the tables or with the descriptions seem to indicate hull preferences either.

What am I missing?

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Re: Question on Y18.02.1 Hull Build Strategy

Postby Cralis on Sun 23 Feb 2020 16:17

Graystonw wrote:Bringing up an old post because I had the same question and am confused by the answers here.

I understand the concept of looking in the descriptions for special things, but I'm not seeing any mentions at all about hull sizes. The example given says that most monarchies prefer big ships. Where does it say that? I don't see that noted in Y20.02.2.1 Absolute Monarchy, Y20.03.3.1 Feudal Monarchy, Y20.03.4.2 Theocratic Monarchy, Y20.03.6.2 Constitution Monarchy, or Y20.04.03.1 Imperial Monarchy.


The actual bonuses are in the NPR design tables. For example, in Y18.02.1 Hull Build Strategy, the table notes say that races that "like big ships" get -20 to the roll and use the latest generational hull, while races that "like small ships" get +20 to the roll.

The flavor is supposed to be in the text descriptions. Interestingly enough, I see that some of that changed all the way back to Ultra Starfire. Hmmmm...

None of the symbolic notes on the tables or with the descriptions seem to indicate hull preferences either.


Yeah... we noticed that some of these things were changed as far back as Ultra. We are making some changes in the NPR rules and government rules, but in the version after the next one we are planning an overhaul in the government descriptions. It'll be a little better in the next version, but the version after that will have more detail on the behaviors so there will be more consistentcy from game to game.

Until the next release, you can apply "big ships" preference for monarchies and "small ships" preference for anarchies, fuedal govenrments, and the Khanate government.
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